How perfect. Do I mean the jury should disregard it? var part3 = "Matt at Mansonblog dot com"; Anything she says next is what I mean by 'unreliable'. "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." She was the angel in a group of murderous devilsWhen it came to killing, she was, different. Manson Mythos saidAbout the license, it had to be expiredNo it didn't.Bugliosi said that was the ONLY reason she was "picked"Exactly. Fusing light into darkness?? !STAY OUT OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST!! Now is the time + (2.) ]MR.KANAREK: Compound, your Honor, leading and suggestive. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get outYet the reality is that Bobby Beausoleil, Pat Krenwinkel, Charles Watson, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten have all subsequently deviated from the official record. Afterwhich, Manson dropped Linda, Sadie, and Clem off at a Venice Beach apartment complex. Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. When really, the main reason most people hate them is that they represent a male patriarchy. Man, that got ugly in a hurry. Reporters ask someone who is being arrested for murder to say something to which she replies "I don't care if the whole world comes down, I'm not talking." She married twice and had a baby girl, Tanya, with her second husband, Robert Kasabian. When he then asks "do you mean 3 a.m. or midnight" he's leading the witness. So according to you people who defend an alleged mass murderer and those who support Trump are the same "idiots". He also wasn't interested as long as they had Susan even though it was reluctantly.That all said, have a look at this interesting piece from Col Scott's site 7 years ago and tell me what you think. Later, in an effort to give their marriage another chance, she joined Robert Kasabian in Hippie Hangouts of Topanga Canyon, Los Angeles, California where he was friends with Charles Blackbeard Melton. YOu can say she is certainly flawed, self-destructive, has terrible judgement and suchbut applying terms like good and bad just distorts any understanding of the whole shebang. I gotta disagree with you on that one. I care what holes there are in her testimony and where those holes actually lead. BUT Bugliosi said she (only she oddly) thought it was a creepy crawl mission. I have for the past many years looked at these crimes from the prospective of how I might have handled the defense. All the excuses people make for themI personally know- as we all do I am sure- quite a few people whose parents were divorced when they were very young. A good example is that Mike McGann interview of Leslie that CieloDrive.com put up. It was done with no thought, " may offer a window into the confusion and their lack of planning and co~ordination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE8_N-eBm_4Bill Clinton in London during 'Nam was a CIA plant who spied on the Anti-war protesters. The trial ? It's intriguing if nothing else. Talks about how she had to put real strength into stabbing a human because it wasn't like cutting meat. It was the general consensus at the end of '69/start of '70 that the prosecution had a very weak case. Back then nashua was a small town in nh.Also i personally talked to someone who picked her up hitchiking in nh the 70s.He said she was pregnant must of been her second child. Her parents divorced and remarried when Linda was still young. The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? I've also seem Clinton supporters attack elderly people with their fists for having a Trump hat. But no I am do not reject HS out of hand. "Furthermore, to varying degrees the women believed in their cause. Now taken into considering the location this apparently took place. AND were there NOT enough "pigs" in Chatsworth ? In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that point. document.write(''); After her sophomore year she dropped out to marry Robert Moses Peaslee. That is not my version of Clearly loving your children, but again these are just my opinions.Both of these people were involved in murder or attempted murder. The couple divorced and she married again to Robert Kasabian. Like how about BILL Clinton. It probably seems quite insensitive to say this, but lots of people have lost loved ones to murderous violence and in addition, Rosemary LaBianca's daughter Suzan at one point demonstrated that not only was it possible to get over it, but that forgiveness and it's aftermath were realistic propositions. No other reason." Some I'm not done pondering, some need more research and I am trying to find an expert or two. It is usually something unrelated to what they are being asked like Krenwinkels Sharon wasnt supposed to be there comment I read about somewhere. I think it's just Pat being nervous and trying to show that they were meant to kill everyone in the house. She's the black loving, anti-racism alternative. That's where I've found some of the trial and grand jury testimonies and police and lawyer interviews and magazine articles from 1969/70 invaluable.Remember, she too was indicted following the Grand Jury Which Bugliosi didn't jump for joy about. But is like a badge of honor to people to refuse to give H.S any weight at allAnd it just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibility, when all of the actual killers themselves have repeated the validation that it was for over 40 years with the exact same stories, and memories.you can hear the shame, embarrassment, and humiliation in the voice of a sobered up- middle aged Leslie Van Houten as she tries to explain H/S and the "Hole in the Desert" to her parole boards. Because the media and Bernie told me so. Linda Kasabian thought they were on another burglary attempt; however, she soon saw Charles Watson shoot and kill a teenager, Steven Parent, who had come to meet the housekeeper. You know, had she said those things during her first trial and got death, then the death penalty was overturned as it was, she'd possibly be out now. I am quite sure that the answer to number 4 is Helter Skelter Mr. H.I an not sure that was the real reason Charlie instigated the murders -but that is the reason Linda,Tex,Katie,Leslie and Susan went and committed them.They have all been saying so for many years.We can try to figure it out ourselves. A young Linda, as per her friends, neighbours and teachers, was intelligent, kind and shy but starry-eyed romantic. Before Tate-LaBianca She attended Milford High School in Milford, New Hampshire in 1964 and 1965. fn. When things didn't work out with Bob, Linda decided to go with Gypsy back to Spahn's Ranch. Leslie told Marvin Part what she believed.Marvin Part thought she was mad.Part taped her and asked her questions that brought the very answers that had led him to the conclusion she was a lunatic.Part wanted the Judge to hear the tape but he refused and ordered 3 psychiatrists to listen to it to see if they felt she was fit to stand trial.Leslie herself refused to be examined by any psychiatrists because as far as she was concerned she was perfectly sane.Leslie fired Marvin Part.The events mash rather than bear out your assertion.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex WatsonThat's a really good point. When family members have secretly filmed some of the goings on, it's hard to get the resultant film out of one's mind and just as hard not to apply the contents to everyone in that line of work. But my days of name calling with strangers are over, and I don't want to take any focus off this amazing first time effort from Dreath.:). Manson doesn't want any slack, he's campaigned fairly vigorously to be the Face of Evil. March 1970 to Linda Kasabian, father unknown. So if Kasabian stumbles on what he wants and says they arrived at the Polanski residence "4-5 hours after dark". The getaway driver that Tex laid into for starting the car, whom he didn't let drive.Linda doesn't sound so willing, really. Of course, I never thought she was an innocent flower child, like VB made her out to be, but he needed her as a witness. Kasabian saw it as an opportunity to flee the ranch (without Tanya). I embarrass myself when I insult anyone let along groups of people. Maybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do??? Hippies were generally viewed as only a couple of notches above the Family {who were themselves viewed as Hippies}. I think my age (time to come full circle) gives me an advantage to understand some things others don't have.I have (after many years) had discussions with folks that I had "conflicts" with (earlier in life) and almost always THEY saw the "conflict" in a DIFFERENT light than ME. I only decide how I wanna feel. I'm not saying the 'Linda kites in Charlie speak' didn't happen, just that I don't believe that had anything to do with Susan recanting. Defence ? I would have likely done the exact same thing. Bugliosi said. Over here in England, working as a care assistant in a home for the elderly is not really seen as particularly caring work much of the time, it's often seen as a job anyone can do that wants to earn definite {low} money and the overwhelming majority of care workers I've known have not been native to these shores. Her testimony was considered to be the most dramatic segment of the very long trial, and it received an unprecedented amount of news media coverage. They have all said that. But he never answers the leading the witness objection. When you have three major league supporters of Charlie that have had his ear, for example, such as Nicholas Shreck, our own George and AC Fisher Aldag all espousing different narratives, one can't help but wonder and make the comparison with the confusion that existed in the Family in the first place, with Susan saying this, Squeaky, Brenda & Sandy saying that, Linda saying the other, Tex saying blurb and Pat incoherent yet pointing to a big clue with her writing and Leslie saying something else.It seems to be catching around Charlie.If Fleischmann actually did come up with that plan to knock Atkins out of the last seat in the life boat it was brilliantTruly.That said, Richard Caballero had said all along that he felt Susan would never testify against Charlie at trial. She does go on to say that it was because she did not want to face the whole thing while pregnant, but still, she knew she was pregnant when she told her husband, Joe Sage and Jeffrey Jacobs.The intention of testifying I guess only becomes a hot issue after the indictments and at that point, is it really unusual for there to have been some uncertainty on her part as to what she was going to do ?Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witnessThat was interesting. Crucially, Sadie came out, spoke, watched Tex hit Wogiciech then ran back in again. In 30 years I have had that happen twice I can remember. But kids were revered in the Family which made Tonya safer. In fact, one strangely consistent matter during the entire investigation was that of Linda being "the one that didn't kill anyone." I agree with your comment about multiple angles. In fact, if I recall correctlyI believe she said earlier to her attorneys they went back to the ranch. What other ID would she have used? But not every brain is wired the same - our neurotransmitters are just ridiculously different in everyone. A British rock band is named after her too. Of course, "robbery" also STIMULATES a capitalist society. "Oh yes, Mr Pritchard has been convicted in the past of robbing banks, but he lives at home and looks after his elderly and disabled Mother and his wayward sister's troubled child..". Linda and Robert had a daughter named Tanya in 1968. So that's who I listen to. There wouldn't have been any need for any of these victims to have been murdered so mercilessly. It's always the Charlie supporters who make those statements and spread those stories about other motivesDuring one of her parole hearings, Pat did make a statement about "the two women in the house" which some have picked up and conflated with the "Sharon wasn't supposed to be there" red herring. Manson Blog Reveals Bobby Beausoleil's "Art" Focuses on Child Domestic Discipline! My apologies Dreath. AND because Bugliosi, a judicial genius, says those phrases equal an attempt to ignite a Black and White race WAR, we got a HUGE problematic controversy.UNLESS Helter Skelter can make you more money than the word "robbery." I know that "the human side" is used to denote the lean towards goodness, softness, something of redeeming value. St Circumstance saidit just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibilityI'm not nobody !Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? Some things I read even suggested physical abuse. I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I did.You said: Do you mean by the jury ?Do you feel Judge Older was somewhat derelict in his duty by letting so many leading questions go through ?You know I swore I wasnt going to do this. But now and again one does sort of let something out that is interesting. We believe there to be more than one motive. I read this post and it clearly paints a picture to me that maybe others see differently. MM, Should I assume you don't believe Manson is innocent of any crime and are arguing motive and reasons testimony is weak, etc, a lot of which I probably agree with? Remember part of your goal is to get the jury to see her as at least as vile as your client. She later became the prosecutions chief witness against Charles Manson and his followers after the 1969Tate-LaBianca murders. What does that refer to ? Truancy? MY double talk is meant to show there are, at least, two sides to every person's STORY (especially Linda's) AND I don't hate ANYONE, except maybe MYSELF. I felt like Million dollar Mafiaoso Attorney as I pranced into the Lord's House for some good old American made justice.Thank You Clem: I won't tell ANYONE it's the clothes that make you judicially savvy. Went to high school with her in Milford, NH. Linda married again, this time to a hippie named Robert Kasabian. Not because she was some kind of sunshine superwoman, but because others {TJ, Ella Jo, Brooks P, Juan Flynn} did likewise and some of those that she helped condemn to death in the gas chamber backed her up on this, both before her arrest and after. What she said about Leslie was dynamite. Now that said I happen to agree with this opinion: "The mission, ladies and gentlemen, the mission of these defendants on both nights, was murder. No one else remembers when Frykowski was shot but Tex says he did it on the porch. "HS in it's entirety, with all it's separate parts and attendant packages were clearly part of her thinking.Dreath saidI still thought I read something somewhere that Krenwinkel said it at a parole hearing or somethingIn her 2011 hearing, she said "When I went to the house with Tex (inaudible), I should have immediately left. It was through Melton that Linda first met Manson family member Catherine Share (Gypsy). But Pat's "Rise" and "Death to pigs" is arguably the Family's calling card and one of the main pointers to Charlie. Can't we all just get along? Linda and Robert had a daughter named Tanya in 1968. So when I started my lawsuits, I went to a Salvation Army store and with the luck of the Vikings, some guy had just donated a bunch of HIS custom made Italian suits. Bobby about mescaline deals and Danny DeCarlo, Pat about not carving WAR on Leno or instructing Leslie to wipe prints {she told the '78 hearing panel there were "15 or 16" things that she would like to correct that Steven Kay got wrong}, Susan about not stabbing Sharon, Leslie about being coerced to "do something," Bruce about the involvement of Tex, Bill Vance & Larry Jones in Shorty's murder and Tex about Susan not stabbing Tate, carving WAR and making Leslie stab Rosemary when she had chickened out ~ none of these things are part of the official record and are not taken on board as being so but the prisoners continue[d] to follow those lines.I'm of the opinion that some of what you get from people who are willing to spill the beans after conviction have to be taken on board if one is going to attempt to understand these people in the aftermath of that point they were at when they committed their crimes. Dreath saidGrim, I have to disagree with you a bitOnly a bit ? 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